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Old 09-14-2020, 11:02 AM
Phil Jacques Phil Jacques is offline
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Default Time to look at safety a little more...

These pictures right here tell me a story. A story of outdated rules. I am not posting this to pick on people directly, but merely to help our entire community as a whole think more about safety and the way these cars are built.

This is not really a problem in the higher divisions with full tube chassis as those cars are purpose built and designed specifically for racing. This is however an issue I am seeing more and more in lower tier divisions, specifically stock chassis/frame/sub-frame type divisions. Imagine if this was a hit on the driver’s side. Imagine the severe injuries that would be sustained or possibly worse, death. No full containment seat, HANS etc is going to protect you from being crushed by an impact like this.

I have noticed in reading some rule books recently that wording such as “No Xing of underside of Chassis” or “No plating or x bracing” is present. To all of the tech men reading this, I know most of you did not write these rules originally, however this in my eyes is extremely irresponsible to continue to keep in the rules. If anything, it should be made mandatory that all stock chassis or sub-frame type cars have an X brace and proper plating of all frames to strengthen them and tie the individual legs of the cage together at their base or as close to their base as possible. Otherwise, the individual legs can move and crush. While it is true that most of these stock frame/chassis type cars were designed to crush from the factory in an impact, we are not talking about the 35-55mph impacts they were designed for in many cases on our local ovals. We are also in many cases, not hitting other items that were designed to move as well. We are talking about other cars with strengthened front and rear bumpers, concrete walls and more.

If this impact shown in these pictures had been a driver’s side hit, we would be mourning the loss of another local driver and at what cost? A little bit of time and $100 or so in tubing and plate?

I get it, racing is dangerous. But we should not be taking unnecessary risks. Think about it… It’s time to update the rules to help keep everyone just a little bit safer.



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Old 09-14-2020, 01:22 PM
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Thank you for bringing this up, Phil.

I can see no advantage to "no x braces".

While we are at it, imo the number of rh door bars could be increased, and rules could be put in place regarding bars in the area surrounding the foot box as well (all classes).

And probably tech could look at the welds occasionally, especially in the lower classes, perhaps routinely when they check belts and firebottles and whatnot. A hobby stock car just came apart at Inverness in '19, and the word was "bad welds".

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Old 09-16-2020, 08:16 PM
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I agree there are ways to make cars safer but a tubular chassis in my opinion would have been any better when seeing how all of that tubing folded like that. There is a outlaw super late floating around the web that hit a jersey barrier the same way and suffered more damage than this did,this damage was a direct result of no barrier and at the least a tractor tire around the pole
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Old 09-17-2020, 09:58 AM
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I agree there are ways to make cars safer but a tubular chassis in my opinion would have been any better when seeing how all of that tubing folded like that. There is a outlaw super late floating around the web that hit a jersey barrier the same way and suffered more damage than this did,this damage was a direct result of no barrier and at the least a tractor tire around the pole
No cars are immune, and some hits will always simply be car killers. However, proper bracing is critical to building a safe car. Some guys give me crap for using the word triangulation, but triangles are some of the strongest shapes. An X under the car would have really strengthened the above car drastically. It may have still moved a bit, but nowhere near this extent.

As far as tubular cars, it all depends on the wall thickness and having the correct bars in the correct places and enough of them. A lot of builders are trying to find ways to get the cars lighter and lighter, especially on the right side and the clips. While I understand the reasoning, I disagree with it.

The car pictured above also hit an unprotected pole which is another story. There should never be a blunt wall end or pole that is unprotected at any track.

I don't have all the answers, but I just believe we need to look at everything we can. At the end of the day, a trophy isn't worth a life.
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Phil, Would serious figure eight cars be a good place to start looking regarding extra bars for side impacts?

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Old 09-18-2020, 08:10 AM
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Phil, Would serious figure eight cars be a good place to start looking regarding extra bars for side impacts?
I've honestly never seen one up close. I have no idea how they are constructed.
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