New pit rules over the top?

[tom77hmstd]

CCMP's new pit rules no water, no food, coolers searched, no cooking in pits.
It seems to me that they are trying to extort more money from the racers
than the are trying to put buts on the boards.
CCMP already charges more than every one else for entrys, pit pass, parking
ect.ect. And they change payoffs every race.
Don,t know what thier problems are but sqeezing every dollar out of the racers is not the answer.
Seems to me desoto tried this and went from 20-30 latemodel field to a 8-12
car field.

[straight up]

if everybody stuck together and just dont show up , they will get the message . the racers hold all the cards , not the track . just another track that doesnt care about the racer , just their profits .

[Darren]

that George Bush billboard and Sunshine Speedway have in common. "Miss me yet!"

[mr south 59]

This is on CCMP's board. I don't think it is to unreasonable.


DRIVER AND RACE TEAMS

We are asking you help support CCMP with this rule the track is a business and has to make a profit so we can not let people just bring in what they want into the pits this can not be done at any other sport event.

GENERAL TRACK RULES


CHARLOTTE COUNTY MOTORSPORTS PARK

2010 General Rules

Our mission is to fairly and evenly enforce the rules to all participants and keep all classes on a level playing field. Our goal is to make racing at CCMP as enjoyable as possible for you and to be fair to all the racers as a whole and not favor or discriminate against any one. Agreement To Participate: In registering for each race event you are agreeing to follow all the track rules, procedures and the interpretations of any official calls. This includes your individual Class Rules and the General Rules contained herein. IGNORANCE IS NO EXCUSE!

WARNING
The possession consumption of distribution of ANY ALCOHILIC BEVERAGE or controlled substance at any time while in the restricted area is strictly prohibited. This is your first and last and only warning concerning alcohol or controlled substance of any kind. Anyone caught in possession or under the influence of any such substance we be escorted of the property immediately. Fines and suspensions will result. (subject to Prosecution also)

NO ALCOHOL BEVERAGE OR BEER OR FOOD FROM FAST FOOD ALLOWED IN PITS, COOLERS CAN AND WILL BE CHECKED ENTERING PITS. THERE WILL BE NO BAR-B-QUEING ALLOWED IN THE PITS

Gary Laplant
813 313 8741


THERE WILL BE NO FOOD OR DRINKS BROUGHT INTO THE PITS FROM FAST FOODS PLACES AT ANYTIME DURING RACING DAY IN PITS OR GRANDSTANDS.

THE TRACK WILL BE SELLING WATER BY THE CASE IN THE PITS: CASE OF 30 BOTTLE OF 16 OZ WATER AND A BAG OF ICE $8.50
BAG OF ICE $1.50

gary laplant
813 313 8741




Water and gatorrade is fine to have in your cooler we will be selling these items also by the case with ice at the track this year.

If your needing Ice we will be selling ice at the track !$1.50 a bag

Gary Laplant
813 313 8741

[flvideo]

I don't think its unreasonable at all. If you saw some of the people drinking in the pits you'd understand. I for one wouldn't want to get on the track with a drunk or druggy. They said water and Gator aid or things like that is ok, but that they will be selling water and Ice this year. Bob..

[dave41]

greed is why i quit going to the races. now i sleep through nascar.

[Edm]

Not that I personally do it, but people that drink in the pits are going to find a way to do it. Search all you want, they will find a way.

Not allowing food in, thats BS! Are you guys Nazi's? Are you going to sick the Gestapo on me because I smuggled in a $1 double cheeseburger from McDonald's?
I won't deprive my team from water or soda. With the prices CCMP charges for entry, water should be free.

[Old Sunshine Fan]

THIS IS THE F.B.I.

DROP THE QUARTER POUNDER OR WE WILL TAZZ YOU!

And get that kid with the peanut butter and jelly sandwich outside the gate NOW!

You Have Been Warned - signs at all gates!

HEY Lady - is that a pack of crackers you're hiding? You Know The Drill -Assume the position!

Next week we will be having a vehicle search at the bottom of the exit ramp coming off the interstate - And We Will Shoot Food/Drink Violators On Sight. AND, we will have the back roads observed with undercover vehicles - so don't even try it!

[mr south 59]

CCMP 2010 Prices:
General Admission $15.00 --
Seniors (over 55) $10.00 --
Students 8 to 17 $5.00
Children 7 yrs and under FREE

**SPECIAL EVENT PRICING**
General admission $20.00 --
Seniors $15.00
Children 8 to 17 yrs $5.00 --
7 yrs and under FREE

****Family pack****
2 adults and 2 kids 8 to 17 $35.00
2 adults and 3 kids 8 to 17 $40.00
2 adults and 4 kids 8 to 17 $45.00

PIT Entry
$30.00 per person --
7 and under are FREE (Unless in a racing event)

[ronabneysr]

let's see two sets of tires 35 gallon of fuel 20 people in stands 12 people in pits two open wheels ever body has gotta make money

but just don't be greedy hope i ain't only one with ka hoons to speak up i don't like people putting there nasty hands in my cooler and i guarantee as much as i spend on things in my cooler water gator ade guice there ain't no beer or achol in my cooler

i can stay home and race at auburndale and citrus county and save two sets of tires 35 gallons of fuel 15 people in stands 12 in pits takes me better than 100.00 fuel for hauler plus slab i spend over 1600.00 to race at charlotte

i can watch big screen that night sat in big boy and don't have use porti pottie hit pause go to fridge then to real bath room and not miss nothing

look at money i saved :huepfen024::huepfen024::huepfen024:

[Edm]

CCMP 2010 Prices:
General Admission $15.00 --
Seniors (over 55) $10.00 --
Students 8 to 17 $5.00
Children 7 yrs and under FREE

**SPECIAL EVENT PRICING**
General admission $20.00 --
Seniors $15.00
Children 8 to 17 yrs $5.00 --
7 yrs and under FREE

****Family pack****
2 adults and 2 kids 8 to 17 $35.00
2 adults and 3 kids 8 to 17 $40.00
2 adults and 4 kids 8 to 17 $45.00

PIT Entry
$30.00 per person --
7 and under are FREE (Unless in a racing event)

$30 per person in the pits is insane, then you throw the pit slab fee in... COME ON MAN............... I won't make that trip

[Edm]

THIS IS THE F.B.I.

DROP THE QUARTER POUNDER OR WE WILL TAZZ YOU!

And get that kid with the peanut butter and jelly sandwich outside the gate NOW!

You Have Been Warned - signs at all gates!

HEY Lady - is that a pack of crackers you're hiding? You Know The Drill -Assume the position!

Next week we will be having a vehicle search at the bottom of the exit ramp coming off the interstate - And We Will Shoot Food/Drink Violators On Sight. AND, we will have the back roads observed with undercover vehicles - so don't even try it!

LOL, VERY FUNNY!

[Old Sunshine Fan]

ATTENTION - ATTENTION - ATTENTION

Would the Security man from NSS (you know the one with the pepper spray) please report to the S/W corner of the Pits... it has been reported some people there have some chips and dip "IN THEIR PIT",

"You Have Been Warned", "Stand by for a "SPRAYIN".

BUT, if you or a member of your pit crew do happen to get pepper sprayed... we sell water here at the track - ice too!

Ain't dat just amazing!

[mr south 59]

I raced at NSS last week and it was $35 to get in the pits.

[Edm]

I raced at NSS last week and it was $35 to get in the pits.

That was only for speedweeks, its usually $25 to get in without a Fascar license and $20 with. To me, this is fair but still cannot afford to bring anyone else in every week.

[straight up]

bottom line is , racing is supposed to be fun , a family sport . when you take that away , you have empty pits and grandstands . this isnt about stopping beer in the pits , its all about making a profit from food and drink sales . anybody who would charge for a pit slab is an idiot . first come , first serve . this crap is why short track racing in florida is dying , nothing but a bunch of greedy people running these tracks that dont care about the racer . sugarcoat it all you want , we know better .

[tom77hmstd]

Straight Up I may not know you but I sure agree with you.
Tom S.

[Jane]

For one year, we did rent our pit slabs at Orlando but it was a mess. We had Friday shows and Saturday shows and when the Saturday people would race on Friday nights and their slabs had the Friday night people on them, well, it was no fun. So after that year, we did not even try that again.

I totally agree with the beer part in the pits but it is a hard thing to stop. You can check all the coolers but if they want to bring beer in, somehow they will do it no matter what you do. But as long as there is no drinking during racing and they wait until everything is over, that is okay. There were alot of cups floating around though that you knew was not coffee but most of the time it was a non-racer with them.

As for no food in the pits of bbq, well, sometimes that is the only way people get to eat because they just don't really have the money to buy track food. Back in the era when my family raced, we brought our grill alot and cooked hamburgers and hot dogs so the kids could eat. We could afford that and afford to get in the pits but just didn't have alot of extra money for buying the track food. But I am not so sure that I agree with forcing people to buy the track food at all. Part of the fun in racing is those bbqs at the track with your friends.

A few years back, I had a friend who raced at Desoto and he was eating a piece of Kentucky Fried Chicken and he said it was taken out of his hand and thrown in the garbage and he was told that was not allowed. I don't agree with that at all. You can't nickel and dime the drivers too death or they will just plain stop coming and we have seen that. It makes more sense to let them bbq and bring their food and they may even bring more people in the pits for the bbq.

But we are not track owners therefore we have no say in what a track does or does not do. You can suck it up and go or get mad and not go. It is all up to each individual.

[Darren]

I wonder if those 4 nature bars that Mark Martin ate during one of the delays at the 500 was brought in or had to be bought at the track, or if he had ate a dinner that he said he wish that he had ate, same deal? How about that sandwich that JR. ate?

[ronabneysr]

i would have loved to have been sitting there eating the chicken and some one tried to take it out of my hand

or my fried bolagna and egg bacon and tomatoe sandwich

i thought people came to see entertainment if they don't get it and drivers ain't happy ain't no body gonna come watch 4 pick up trucks ride around the track or five compact cars run 30 mph

what a way to start out a season put them pbj sandwiches in your pocket:ernaehrung004::ernaehrung004::ernaehrung004 :

[straight up]

since all these tracks are catering to the rich daddys these days this is the result . daddy can afford high rediculous track food prices . i can get a far better burger at mcdonalds for a buck , why would i want to pay $ 4.00 or more at the track ? i wouldnt and i wont . obviously these tracks are trying to run off the little guy ,[ real racers ] .and from what ive seen and keep hearing they are doing a very good job ! and the real sad part is , they all hear it and see it every week , they just dont care .

[Jane]

Like I said before, have the fun in racing is the bbqs in the pits and friends having hamburgers and hot dogs together. Heck, my ex, fixed shrimp that we had caught ourselves for everyone and that was about 20 lbs. or more of shrimp we brought to the track for everyone. My kids were younger then and we brought chips and cookies and junk food for them because we could not afford to race and then buy everything at the track.

But we aren't the owners and there is nothing we can honestly do to change their minds except not go there. Don't know if you know Roxanne, Alan Bruns's sister, but she always cooks at the tracks where Alan races for the whole crew and anyone else who might be hungry. Seen Mary Jane McLeod do her fair share of cooking also for everyone. Yes, these guys can afford to buy track food but they don't. Even some of the media I worked with at Volusia, from all over the country during DIRTcar Nationals, brought their own food to the track and so did Alex and I a few times.

I understand why they don't allow coolers in the grandstands that much anymore but I have seen a number of people at Volusia with drinks they bring in or maybe a Subway sub or McDonald's bag. I also see them buy ice cream later or popcorn or peanuts. But with today's economy and hard, hard times, why make them harder on everyone than they need to be. But I don't own any track and can't make that call.

Just have to go by the rules if you want to go and race and that is the only track you can afford to travel to. Just the way it is anymore.

Have a great weekend no matter what you do.

[dscopano]

Going to search the big haulers?

[Jane]

That is how it sounds, that they will search all haulers no matter what size or who they are. And that would be the fair thing to do is to treat them all the same.

[straight up]

sounds like the beginings of a ghost town in punta gorda . maybe they can sell tickets to tourists to see what a racetrack looks like after its closed !

[Trash Inturn4]

Will cavity searches be next :sprachlos020:?

[Hired Gun]

THIS IS THE F.B.I.

DROP THE QUARTER POUNDER OR WE WILL TAZZ YOU!

And get that kid with the peanut butter and jelly sandwich outside the gate NOW!

You Have Been Warned - signs at all gates!

HEY Lady - is that a pack of crackers you're hiding? You Know The Drill -Assume the position!

Next week we will be having a vehicle search at the bottom of the exit ramp coming off the interstate - And We Will Shoot Food/Drink Violators On Sight. AND, we will have the back roads observed with undercover vehicles - so don't even try it!




LOLOLOLOLOL
Wow I almost fell out of my rollie chair. That was funny:aetsch013:

[Todd McCreary]

Going to search the big haulers?

or a van or the back of a crew cab pickup or the big crossover tool box in the back of the tow vehicle?


this isn't feasible and everybody knows it. there are too many places to stash things. and if somebody puts their mind too it, there will be some hidey spots fabricated explicitly to smuggle stuff in.

either that, or they'll just go someplace else.



If you saw some of the people drinking in the pits you'd understand.


i've been in pits where you can smell the maryjane ( note - i haven't smelled this a CCMP, this is elsewhere i'm talking about ). if they can't be bothered to bust the pot smokers why would alcohol concern you?

the "ban" on alcohol in the pits is fairly typical. it's also fairly typical that everybody ignores it after the checker falls on the last race. i haven't got any sympathy for somebody busted before the races are over.




i can get a far better burger at mcdonalds for a buck , why would i want to pay $ 4.00 or more at the track ?


two years ago, OSW actually had a pretty good burger in the pits for around 4 bucks. excellent fixins too. i would rather have had that than that swill that McDonald's serves.



$30 per person in the pits is insane, then you throw the pit slab fee in... COME ON MAN............... I won't make that trip


*scratches head*

i thought from your trip down there last fall that you liked Punta Gorda?




i would have loved to have been sitting there eating the chicken and some one tried to take it out of my hand


the rule is "no fast food and no BBQ-ing".

as far as i can tell, they didn't say anything about home prepped food or microwaves in the hauler.

i suppose, in today's litigious society, you could consider a BBQ as a safety hazard.

[Winger]

i suppose, in today's litigious society, you could consider a BBQ as a safety hazard.

I've seen track food that could be considered a safety hazard also. :) I'd rather take my chances with a BBQ.

[Edm]

[



$30 per person in the pits is insane, then you throw the pit slab fee in... COME ON MAN............... I won't make that trip


*scratches head*

i thought from your trip down there last fall that you liked Punta Gorda?





I did, but I didn't pay $30 per person and I brought in my own snacks, soda and water.

[Edm]

I've seen track food that could be considered a safety hazard also. :) I'd rather take my chances with a BBQ.

FUNNY, Very true, however the people that cater the pits at OSW make some really good food with decent prices.

[ocalasp76]

Last year my wife and I worked the front gate at Ocala. An apparent pregnant woman came through the gate holding her stomack,when suddenly a 'bucket' of KFC fell down and then out from under her shirt.....BUSTED.
Another couple came through with a stroller and infant carrying a large diaper bag. When I ask him to open the bag it revealed a six pack of beer on ice.....BUSTED.
Don't want to add fuel to the fire,but a lot of stuff can be brought in hidden on the race car.....on the fuel cell or under the hood........:sprachlos020:
If people want to bring contriband into the track,they will find a way. Some even avoid buying a pit pass by hiding in a trunk or other spot in the hauler.
But that's a whole new thread.
-JIM-

[Edm]

Last year my wife and I worked the front gate at Ocala. An apparent pregnant woman came through the gate holding her stomack,when suddenly a 'bucket' of KFC fell down and then out from under her shirt.....BUSTED.
Another couple came through with a stroller and infant carrying a large diaper bag. When I ask him to open the bag it revealed a six pack of beer on ice.....BUSTED.
Don't want to add fuel to the fire,but a lot of stuff can be brought in hidden on the race car.....on the fuel cell or under the hood........:sprachlos020:
If people want to bring contriband into the track,they will find a way. Some even avoid buying a pit pass by hiding in a trunk or other spot in the hauler.
But that's a whole new thread.
-JIM-

If they can get it in jail, they can damn sure get it in the track. I might go to CCMP this year just to smuggle a double cheeseburger in. Pay $200 in gas to get there and back, $200 +/- to get into the track and then cheat the track out of a $4 cheeseburger and $2 coke.

[ocalasp76]

If they can get it in jail, they can damn sure get it in the track. I might go to CCMP this year just to smuggle a double cheeseburger in. Pay $200 in gas to get there and back, $200 +/- to get into the track and then cheat the track out of a $4 cheeseburger and $2 coke.

KOOOOL.....be sure to get it on tape and then post it on u-tube. :huepfen024:

-GYM-

[Old Sunshine Fan]

Hey Jim... where can I hide to get into the pits free!

Hell, Mike and Angie don't make money off me at the gate... they make a killing off me at the hamburger stand.

If you see a hauler dragging its ass going past the gate.. its my big ass hiding in the back! (probably with a sandwich in each hand)

[DeMan951]

This is on CCMP's board. I don't think it is to unreasonable.


DRIVER AND RACE TEAMS

We are asking you help support CCMP with this rule the track is a business and has to make a profit so we can not let people just bring in what they want into the pits this can not be done at any other sport event.


Yes they are at Tropicana Field for the Rays games.

From their website.

CARRY-IN ITEMS

Any carry-in item larger than 16 x 16 x 8 inches, hard containers/coolers, glass bottles or cans will not be allowed into Tropicana Field. Food items and water are allowed. All food brought in must be contained in a clear plastic bag. Bottled water must be sealed and no more than one liter in volume.

[rknhvc09]

dumb rule!!! they should be glad that people still choose to racing! open your eye's people. we are in a resession!!!! dnt raise prices, when the racers stop coming, your screwed! because business is slow, dont punish us drivers! find away to put fans in the stans and find cost cutting ways... not bankrupt the drivers. we were gonna go to ccmp this year to try and support the track. but after reading this, were staying put!

[Todd McCreary]

I brought in my own snacks, soda and water.


and from the rules i'm reading, you can still do so. what rules are you reading?

i agree that they haven't made the best presentation on this but i have to agree with MrSouth59. the actual facts of the rule don't look that odd to me.

"no bbq grills" can be blamed on the insurance company. "no fast food" is flaky, but how the heck are they going to enforce that? "no alcohol in the pits" is a standard rule at every track i've ever been too. and pretty much always ignored after the races are over.



I've seen track food that could be considered a safety hazard also.


touche'.





I might go to CCMP this year just to smuggle a double cheeseburger in. Pay $200 in gas to get there and back, $200 +/- to get into the track and then cheat the track out of a $4 cheeseburger and $2 coke.


i've got a better idea.

1. pull up in front of the pit window with your tow rig.
2. throw a McDonald's bag full of burger wrappers plus a half dozen empty beer bottles on the ground in front of the gate.
3. raise your fist out the open window, lay on the horn and yell, "I'm legal now, beaches!"
4. get it all on video and post it here
5. profit!

can you imagine if the Punta Gorda drivers pulled an Alice's Restaurant Massacree with 20 or 30 of them doing this? hilarity.

[Rick Williamson]

This is on CCMP's board. I don't think it is to unreasonable.


DRIVER AND RACE TEAMS

We are asking you help support CCMP with this rule the track is a business and has to make a profit so we can not let people just bring in what they want into the pits this can not be done at any other sport event.

GENERAL TRACK RULES


CHARLOTTE COUNTY MOTORSPORTS PARK

2010 General Rules

Our mission is to fairly and evenly enforce the rules to all participants and keep all classes on a level playing field. Our goal is to make racing at CCMP as enjoyable as possible for you and to be fair to all the racers as a whole and not favor or discriminate against any one. Agreement To Participate: In registering for each race event you are agreeing to follow all the track rules, procedures and the interpretations of any official calls. This includes your individual Class Rules and the General Rules contained herein. IGNORANCE IS NO EXCUSE!

WARNING
The possession consumption of distribution of ANY ALCOHILIC BEVERAGE or controlled substance at any time while in the restricted area is strictly prohibited. This is your first and last and only warning concerning alcohol or controlled substance of any kind. Anyone caught in possession or under the influence of any such substance we be escorted of the property immediately. Fines and suspensions will result. (subject to Prosecution also)

NO ALCOHOL BEVERAGE OR BEER OR FOOD FROM FAST FOOD ALLOWED IN PITS, COOLERS CAN AND WILL BE CHECKED ENTERING PITS. THERE WILL BE NO BAR-B-QUEING ALLOWED IN THE PITS

Gary Laplant
813 313 8741


THERE WILL BE NO FOOD OR DRINKS BROUGHT INTO THE PITS FROM FAST FOODS PLACES AT ANYTIME DURING RACING DAY IN PITS OR GRANDSTANDS.

THE TRACK WILL BE SELLING WATER BY THE CASE IN THE PITS: CASE OF 30 BOTTLE OF 16 OZ WATER AND A BAG OF ICE $8.50
BAG OF ICE $1.50

gary laplant
813 313 8741




Water and gatorrade is fine to have in your cooler we will be selling these items also by the case with ice at the track this year.

If your needing Ice we will be selling ice at the track !$1.50 a bag

Gary Laplant
813 313 8741

Dear Mr. South 59............. NO OTHER SPORT DOES THIS? YOU ARE RIGHT!!!!!IN OTHER SPORTS THEY PAY THE PEOPLE PUTTING ON THE SHOW BIG BUCKS. THEY HAVE LOCKEROOMS, TOP NOTCH BATHROOMS. THEY AREN'T USED AND ABUSED LIKE THEY ARE AT LOCAL 1/4 TRACKS LIKE YOURS. $30.00 TO GET IN???? WHAT A JOKE. PART OF THE FAMILY ATOMSHERE IN THE PITS IS TO SIT DOWN TO A GEART MEAL COOKED ON THE GRILL. AND NO FLA. THIS DON'T SOUND FAIR!

[mr south 59]

Dear Mr. South 59............. NO OTHER SPORT DOES THIS? YOU ARE RIGHT!!!!!IN OTHER SPORTS THEY PAY THE PEOPLE PUTTING ON THE SHOW BIG BUCKS. THEY HAVE LOCKEROOMS, TOP NOTCH BATHROOMS. THEY AREN'T USED AND ABUSED LIKE THEY ARE AT LOCAL 1/4 TRACKS LIKE YOURS. $30.00 TO GET IN???? WHAT A JOKE. PART OF THE FAMILY ATOMSHERE IN THE PITS IS TO SIT DOWN TO A GEART MEAL COOKED ON THE GRILL. AND NO FLA. THIS DON'T SOUND FAIR!


Rick. Don't try and put this on Mr South. I just posted what was writen no the other board. I don't have anything to do with it. I never said "No other sport does this". All's I said is that I didn't think it was to unreasonable. I never even stated my opinion on the subject. Just a lot of people are trying to twist around what was writen. Your post with all caps was uncalled for towards me.

For my opinion. The only thing I had a problem was the no bbqing rule. I bbq outside BEFORE EVERY FEATURE. I always have and always will. I will just have to do it differently on my George Foreman in my trailer. And instead of buying my chicken at KFC I will buy it at publix I guess. I can still bring all the food I want and all the drinks I want and all of the snacks I want. The only thing it changes is the bbqing. Not to unreasonable.

I will bet that if we all voice our opinion to the track about the bbqing that we could get that changed also.:ernaehrung004:

[mr south 59]

THEY AREN'T USED AND ABUSED LIKE THEY ARE AT LOCAL 1/4 TRACKS LIKE YOURS. $30.00 TO GET IN???? WHAT A JOKE.

Rick. I owned Martin Co. Kartway. Not CCMP. It was close to a 1/4 mile but I never charged more that $10 to get in. You must be talking about Gary Laplant who wrote those rule changes for CCMP? Right?

[Joanne Lucas]

We always brought our own food into the pits. Drivers usually don't eat before a race so when they are done racing, they eat! Your track will loose alot of racers if you go this direction. You can bring food into Citrus and Auburndale. I know we used to bring it into all tracks in Florida.
If this happens, there goes racing for the families that go for fun...:(

[tunaman]

bottom line is , racing is supposed to be fun , a family sport . when you take that away , you have empty pits and grandstands . this isnt about stopping beer in the pits , its all about making a profit from food and drink sales . anybody who would charge for a pit slab is an idiot . first come , first serve . this crap is why short track racing in florida is dying , nothing but a bunch of greedy people running these tracks that dont care about the racer . sugarcoat it all you want , we know better .

Well said!!!

[Rick Williamson]

Rick. I owned Martin Co. Kartway. Not CCMP. It was close to a 1/4 mile but I never charged more that $10 to get in. You must be talking about Gary Laplant who wrote those rule changes for CCMP? Right?

That's what we are talking about here CCMP. I was just posting back to your post. If there was any miss understanding between us I'm sorry. But I still don't like it nor think it's fair to keep pulling more and more money out of the racers pocket. At some point they will start putting the cars on jacks and a cover over the cars. IF CCMP or anyother track keeps doing these kind of things to the driver.

[tunaman]

That is how it sounds, that they will search all haulers no matter what size or who they are. And that would be the fair thing to do is to treat them all the same.
Jane, this is true, "It would be the fair thing to do" But we all know they wont say s--- to the money teams!! At least at NSS they won't treat the all the same!! (Watch me get banned from the place!)

[HBR]

True. Lets Think Of More Ways To Get Drivers Into The Pits. That Makes More Money In The Stands Due To The Crowds It Will Bring. It's Bad Enough To Have To Pay Our Own Purse Not To Have To Fill Theirs. North Florida Dirt Track Is Still Good To Us. Bring In Your Coolers....even In The Grandstands....how About Them Apples. That Enables Me To Bring 3 More People To The Track.... My Wife And 2 Kids. Thanks Phil. I Guess You Guys Who Think This Is A Reasonable Change Have Plenty Of Money To Throw Around. Ill Come See You For Some. I Could Use It. I Guess It Is Easy To Forget That Some Families Love Racing So Much That They Eat Bologna Sandwiches At Home Just To Be Able To Go!!!

[fascar27]

For one year, we did rent our pit slabs at Orlando but it was a mess. We had Friday shows and Saturday shows and when the Saturday people would race on Friday nights and their slabs had the Friday night people on them, well, it was no fun. So after that year, we did not even try that again.

I totally agree with the beer part in the pits but it is a hard thing to stop. You can check all the coolers but if they want to bring beer in, somehow they will do it no matter what you do. But as long as there is no drinking during racing and they wait until everything is over, that is okay. There were alot of cups floating around though that you knew was not coffee but most of the time it was a non-racer with them.

As for no food in the pits of bbq, well, sometimes that is the only way people get to eat because they just don't really have the money to buy track food. Back in the era when my family raced, we brought our grill alot and cooked hamburgers and hot dogs so the kids could eat. We could afford that and afford to get in the pits but just didn't have alot of extra money for buying the track food. But I am not so sure that I agree with forcing people to buy the track food at all. Part of the fun in racing is those bbqs at the track with your friends.

A few years back, I had a friend who raced at Desoto and he was eating a piece of Kentucky Fried Chicken and he said it was taken out of his hand and thrown in the garbage and he was told that was not allowed. I don't agree with that at all. You can't nickel and dime the drivers too death or they will just plain stop coming and we have seen that. It makes more sense to let them bbq and bring their food and they may even bring more people in the pits for the bbq.

But we are not track owners therefore we have no say in what a track does or does not do. You can suck it up and go or get mad and not go. It is all up to each individual.

A-dale is same way back in 1995, no food and drink from outside of track, when I used to lived in NY. I don`t have that problem, here is different ball park, up in NY, they never checked our cooler and but there beer in the cooler for after the races is over. We eat out after we left the track.

Few years back, I was at NSS and I got bite of chicken from the hauler next to me from his bbg after the races , it was cooking during before the end of the races. When USA Speedway first open in 1995, I was ex-crew of OWM when David Reuitimann was racing than, We brought everything skillet, cooler, foods, drinks,. We had alot fun, we don`t go any track that not honor any food or drink to bring with us. That why no-one come to races anymore,`cause of that. I understand that some tracks are money hungry, I guess,They want to get races fans, pits crews and drivers to return, I see you guys brought foods and realized they say ah-oh, you see the garage can. guess where your foods going before you enter the gates. This why I didn`t go to the races this year, I only went 1 times, It`s in CCS.